/int/ - International

>>26222 >Tarkovsky >imitation of European directors It's the other way around.

>>25979 I've watched American Beauty a few times over the years. It started with strong identification with the teenage characters to slowly understanding more about Lester, especially the situation with his relationship and the slow, gradual death that a lot of relationships suffer.

This was my favourite film in my early 20s. I recently rewatched it and...well it's not a bad film but it's awfully silly and not nearly as deep as I thought it was back then.

>>26223 Plain action isn't exempt from this either, imo. Have you tried rewatching movies like Speed, Predator, The Rock, etc. — you know, the "fuck yeah" stuff? It all feels like plain and dull commercial endeavour to extract money from cinema-goers to me now. I especially loved Volcano, because to my child self the way they portrayed lava felt like it was some sort of a quasi-sentient chthonian entity, something almost lovecraftian. But looking back at it I realise that the intent behind creating it was "hurr durr people fress destruction". Sure, there's examples like The 13th Warrior or Armageddon that feel like exceptions through the combination of composer, operator, actor and director works, but I think it's more of a coincidental outcome. More often than not I find myself just clicking the right arrow through the action scenes. I think the last time I cared about the content of an action scene was the Duel of Fates.

>>26236 >awfully silly and not nearly as deep as I thought it was back then I felt the same after re-reading The Thanatonauts and its follow-up books, except much more extreme. I thought it was really cool, and deep, and wow in my teens. But now? Holy fucking shit it's such a comically infantile turbocringe pile of glaring wannabe spirituality, that it single-handedly convinced me that people do, in fact, change over the course of their lives.

>>26250 The first real story you encounter as a teen always seems deep af. I spent a couple of years around age 13 trying to get everyone to play FFVII because I thought the story was sooo deep and interesting

Blade Runner There's the whole "Tears in rain" scene, which to me symbolizes the ephemerality of life. So imagine what will be left of us in a 1000 years time or even a 1,000,000 years. To appreciate this movie is to lament the inevitable destruction and loss of all your memories, culture, and anything you hold dear. Every book, every song, every movie, every person. Same thing applies to [Not a movie but a television episode], The Next Generation S5 episode "The Inner Light". I didn't understand it's true meaning when I was younger, 45 minutes of viewing Picard grow old, I thought. I called it "The Inner Shite". Then when I got older I started thinking about the future of humanity and what we leave behind. I'd argue that the message is even more poignant with Picard finding the Ressikan Flute after his experience, that flute represents the hope that something of our lives and culture will continue beyond our lifetime. Lament with me brothers & sisters.

>>26264 Yeah, good episode. That one in DS9 where Sisko apparently dies and you see his kid grow old hits differently too after you lose your own parents iRL.

>>26257 I know what you mean, but it was very far from the first real story by any definition that I encountered as a teen.

>>26169 Andrej Rublev is best because it's about making art, so indirectly about living. >>26222 Not really Tarkovskij>Bergman

>>26264 Blade Runner is good but overrated. Or maybe it's just that it has so many soy fans. I really like Villeneuve's sequel (Blade Runner 2049) because it adds an actually fresh take on the whole simulacrum theme. The double gf scene was peak.

>>26240 OP was talking about deeper understanding and stuff so plain action doesn't really have any of that stuff, which is why I ruled it out.

>>26264 >the inevitable destruction and loss of all your memories, culture, and anything you hold dear. Every book, every song, every movie, every person. In Egypt there's a tomb where a carving says "You who live, love life and hate death, remember me", calling to us through 40 centuries, and so we remember that there lived Iti, a prosperous commoner who acted with his strong arm, who added to the property of his father, was one who spoke good and repeated good, one who arranged things through the opportune moment, who was one light of heart, gracious of heart in dealing with his brothers, who gave beer to him who was hungry, clothing to him who was naked of my household, who gave property to him whom he did not know as to him whom he knew in order that he might endure upon earth and that it might go well with him in the necropolis. And that 38 centuries ago Ea-nasir sold low quality copper to Nanni. And that 11 centuries ago a Varangian mercenary Halfdan was very bored during a liturgy in Haiga Sophia. But sure, keep relishing in the the aimless materialism of the blind anti-human Modernity. >Under every article of faith of the church could be put the faith in the service of truth instead of one’s desires. And each doctrine did not simply leave that faith unshaken, each doctrine seemed essential to complete that great miracle, continually manifest upon earth, that made it possible for each man and millions of different sorts of men, wise men and imbeciles, old men and children—all men, peasants, Lvov, Kitty, beggars and kings to understand perfectly the same one thing, and to build up thereby that life of the soul which alone is worth living, and which alone is precious to us. >Lying on his back, he gazed up now into the high, cloudless sky. “Do I not know that that is infinite space, and that it is not a round arch? But, however I screw up my eyes and strain my sight, I cannot see it not round and not bounded, and in spite of my knowing about infinite space, I am incontestably right when I see a solid blue dome, and more right than when I strain my eyes to see beyond it.”

>>26279 I think deeper understanding quite includes the disenchantment. But whatever, I get what you're saying.

>>26269 >That one in DS9 where Sisko apparently dies and you see his kid grow old That episode is called The Visitor and is a fan favourite. May be my point of view would be different if I had children but personally I prefer DS9's In The Pale Moonlight or Children of Time. Then there's Voyager's Deathwish and Living Wutness which are both philosophically profound.

>>26288 But that's more of a deeper understanding of yourself rather than the movie.

>>26291 Yes, it goes into the "realize what a dumb little brat you were in the past" part. But it still concerns the movies too, because your deeper understanding of them helps you to realise their shallowness.

>>26222 >>26275 Oh yeah, speaking of Bergman, just to show how high on drugs tier absurd that cube's post is. >“My discovery of Tarkovsky’s first film was like a miracle. Suddenly, I found myself standing at the door of a room the keys of which had, until then, never been given to me. It was a room I had always wanted to enter and where he was moving freely and fully at ease. I felt encouraged and stimulated: someone was expressing what I had always wanted to say without knowing how. Tarkovsky is for me the greatest, the one who invented a new language, true to the nature of film, as it captures life as a reflection, life as a dream.” Ingmar Bergman (1918 – 2007)

there is that one late Soviet movie about the WW2 called Trial on the Road it was considered controversial, so commies banned it from theaters for like 20 years anyway, there's one episode in there where one guerrilla guy tells a prisoner to move out of the house, and the prisoner asks 'should I wear my coat?' and there's that pause when both men look at each other intensely. and then the guerrilla guy says 'yes, grab that coat' so when I was a kid I completely didn't understand what was going on. and only when I watched it later in life did I get the point: if the prisoner was to be executed by shooting, he wouldn't need to take his coat

I think the original Star Wars trilogy is worth viewing again once you are an adult AND understand politics. To me Star Wars represents standing up to an authoritarian dictatorship government, but as a kid I just saw pew pew lazors and spaceships. PS: This is a great idea for a thread and OP is NOT homophobic slur.

Romeo and Juliet is a classic. When you are young it is the greatest love story ever told. When you are an adult it is the worst love story ever told

>>27362 no adult thinks Romeo and Juliet is romantic. It is a tragedy about children dying over their teenage crush.

>>27371 It's mostly the families fighting that causes that. Romeo has to escape anyway because he accidentally killed a guy.

And the plan about faking death in Romeo and Juliet is good but fate fucks it up because of the letter. That's what real tragedies are about, destiny is your enemy and might kill you. Yes it's also a teenage romance.

>>27346 This one is good. At first glance, Star Wars is a kids space adventure, but with a careful eye there are a ton of adult themes and concepts to it. One example is that the star wars movies are designed to go backwards and forwards. Han Solo is cornered by Greedo in the first movie. In the second movie, in a very similar scene, he is cornered by Lando and Vader, shoots first, but still gets captured. Lots of mirrored scenes and mirrored characters like that.

>>27445 With you I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

>>27453 Another mirror is Mace Windu and Darth Maul. Notice their names are both very similar types of weapons? They are the strong man for their respective orders, someone you send out to kill when order is threatened. Maul was just a very angry killer while Mace believed in ideals but had the power to kill when he deemed it necessary. Neither was the leader of their respective order and both died in very similar ways, by being dismembered with lightsabers and falling to their death.

>>27511 >Darth Maul the stupidest character ever created intriguing looks, mystery past, fantastic fighting skills ... and then appears a couple of times in one film and gets instantly killed the greatest disappointment

>>27513 >the greatest disappointment Surely Anakin Skywalker was the greatest disappointment in the the prequels.

>>27528 funnily related to this thread, I started to value more Anakin's character over the years I mean how else would you even play him and his descent into the dark side? and the duel scene with Obi-Wan is definitely in the top of my list hell, I feel goosebumps thinking about it >you were my brother >I loved you >you were supposed to be the Chosen one <I HATE YOU!

>>27528 The most disappointing and disturbing thing inthem is the knowledge that Darth Vader built C3PO

Fight club

>>26223 >Forrest Gump Seemed like some sort of soy middlebrow "good movie" to me at the time, didn't watch Today it seems like an offensively stupid and syrupy movie that promotes "American conservative values" with all the usual conformism, blind belief and jingoism. Disgusting. Maybe I'll watch it in full someday to get a better idea of what it's really like, but it seems unlikely that I'll enjoy it. Except for the fake historic scenes, these seem fun.

>>27346 How old were you when you say kid? I became a bit of a Star Wars fan at age 12 and never thought that the main struggle was anything but a rebellion to overthrow a dictatorship. They do hit you over the head with it, it's uhhhh kind of hard to miss with the main antagonists being called "Rebellion" and "Empire" and all.

>>27585 >How old were you when you say kid? I was probably about 10 years old when I first saw Star Wars and didn't understand anything about politics or governments. I didn't see the value in America's 2nd amendment to the constitution until my 20s and didn't agree with it until my 30s. I really had no idea how serious the threat of a tyrannical governments is, I simply interpreted the movie to be one dimensional good guys verses bad guys. Now we have the OSA and digital IDs and people getting arrested for mildy offensive things they said upon Twitter. I look at China and worry.

>>27584 I mean, I think you are right on your first attempt. It is a syrupy movie that's goal is to blast 50s, 60s, and 70s nostalgia. I don't agree that the plot of the movie is inherently conservative. That interpretation comes from Forest being seen as a "conservative" character, and Jenny as a "liberal" character. Forest follows the expected lifepath of school, being drafted into the military, starting a business, investing well, while Jenny follows a destructive lifepath of counterculture, drugs, sex, prostitution, and eventually death. Some will argue that that is inherently conservative, but Forest was hardly a conservative minded character. He consistently sided with the liberal groups on issues of the day, for example segregation, but overall didn't think much and only subtlety gave his opinion on things.

I'm considering re-watching Independence Day. Pretty sure I won't enjoy it as much as I did as a young teen, but maybe it's still entertaining anyway? After watching the frankly underwhelming X-Files movie, which often looked and felt like a cheap TV movie, I somehow want to compare and contrast against a proper big budget flick with aliens.

>>28808 I loved Independence Day as a kid.

>>28808 Oh holy fug, I looked up their budgets. X-Files movie 66 million USD, Independence Day 75 million USD. I honestly thought that ID4 cost at least 10x as much because it looked about that much better - I downloaded it and immediately got excited by some of the cool visuals while skipping through it. So it's true that Roland Emmerich is an effects genius - and the X-Files guys were kinda clueless tbh.

>>28875 I enjoyed Independence Day as a kid, but did it have any real stars other than maybe Jeff Goldblum in it? Those were the ones who took the majority part of budgets, not the effects. Duchovny and Anderson probably could ask at least half of those 60 Million to share between them for doing the movie. Also Emmerich seems mostly very talented about financing his films. From what I recall reading about him, his first movie right out of film school had a relatively big budget.

>>28900 >Duchovny and Anderson They have never been big stars and were reportedly kind of underpaid in the series. Duchovny is frankly not a super good actor, just serviceable and suitable for certain roles. Anderson is very good IMO, but she doesn't have a big star screen presence. She has never been very business-minded (nor extremely pretty), or she could have become quite rich with her talent and, it seems, devotion to the craft. The biggest thing that they had going for them in the X-Files was their chemistry. As an example, there was a scene where Mulder asks Scully to dance and it feels like their bodies are natually striving towards each other. I've once had a gf with similar settis, it's a force of nature and they could represent that on screen.

>>28900 Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith, though I think ID4 is what *made* Will Smith a proper star. Jeff Goldblum was a super fun character. Brent Spiner, too, but not really a star.

>>26257 At least you weren't late twenties and trying to convince someone at a hacker camp that some anime about schoolchildren is like really intelligent and powerful and sheit. Some (non-literal... I think) retard did that to me. I could only pity the guy.

>>28904 if it was shinsekai yori or somesuch he might even had had a point

>>28808 Keep your nasheeds ready

>>28905 >shinsekai yori I think it looked much less artsy, much more like the typical cheap anime style. Like when somebody runs, they just show three seconds of the character apparently running on a large ball with unicolor background, the same five frames repeating at 12 fps - frankly yuck.

>>28904 It's clearly above you.

>>27346 >Star Wars trilogy >standing up to an authoritarian dictatorship government Seriously? I think every kid knew about this, it hardly gets more obvious than this message.